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Hi, all!
Please let me reiterate. I was speaking only of the P-15. Based on
discussions here and on other forums (such as talking to the skippers
directly), there are lot's of differences between the strengths and weaknesses
of the P-15 and P-19 for any given period. Do not base your conclusions of
one model or one particular year upon what anyone has said about another model
or another year.
Also, don't put too much weight on anything that is said, including this!
Dollar for dollar, the Potter is absolutely one of the best boating deals
available no matter what model you're talking about. Each has it's pluses and
minuses. There are differences between a lifting daggerboard and a swing
keel, there are differences between a boat with batteries and a boat without
and there's differences between the different rigging arrangements, everywhere
from junk rigs to the more conventional rigs.
Some people cannot stand using the porta-potty on the 15, some claim the 19
has leaky windows and daggerboard trunk. None of these things are a big deal.
They are just idiosycracies of boats. This forum gives us tons of ideas of
how we can make our boats more comfortable and safe.
I have yet to meet a Potter owner, or even an ex-Potter owner, who does not
have a warm, fuzzy feeling about his or her boat.
Also, since we are trailer-sailors, the trailer becomes a separate, yet very
important, part of the Potter system. There is probably no trailer-sailor,
Potterer or otherwise, that does not have a love/hate relationship with this
piece of necessary and finicky machinery. Anything with moving parts and 12
volt electronics that is normally left outside for years and periodically
dunked in salt water is going to be a pain in the butt. Somehow tracing
shorts in the trailer wiring doesn't seem like, "working on the boat."
If you are looking at or considering becoming a Potterer and are concerned
about any of the discussions on this forum or anything I have said, attend a
Potter sail. You'll never meet a group of prouder boat owners.
So there! :-)
Geoff
P-15 Lollipop
No. Lake Tahoe, NV
PS. Are we getting any closer to summer yet?
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Subject: Re: Potter Quality: HMS vs International Marine...
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In a message dated 98-11-03 11:30:28 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Potter Quality: HMS vs International Marine...
Date: 98-11-03 11:30:28 EST
From: delozier@aristar.com (Gregory S. DeLozier)
To: wwpotter@tscnet.com
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Hi,
As someone contemplating buying a Potter, I have some
concerns and questions about the WWP-15 that I'd like to
discuss, if it's OK. I'd appreciate any responses...
To start with, I read this from Geoff...
>Knowing what I know now about HMS marine makes it even chancier. The
>improvements made by International Marine are quite impressive.
Can someone tell me (or point me to a list of) the improvements made
by International Marine?
Specifically, I have been a sailor for, oh, 25 years or so, and I currently
have a Com-Pac 19, a small open daysailer, and an Ericson 29. Since
I am now expecting child #5, I'm finding that the Com-Pac 19 is too
small to carry the entire family, and too big to daysail easily. (That's
why she's for sale.) When I sail with the entire company, I'll take the
E29 out, but that still leaves me looking for a little boat I can daysail
and take one or two kids on an expedition in.
I've owned a Com-Pac 16 before, and my general feeling is that
it's built like a rock, but it's still a little more work to launch than
I'd like, since it has a fixed keel. It also has pretty heavy-duty
hardware compared to the last Potter I've seen in person. In
general, while I'm a big admirer of Potters, I've been aware that
there are a large number of posts that say, basically: I was out
sailing my Potter and something fell off/came apart/tore out of
the deck/broke outright/etc. If you look in the archives of the
famous long distance voyages, you find a litany of things breaking:
rudders, stays, etc. I hear (read, actually) of rivets coming out of
the boom, goosenecks parting, etc. In many years of sailing boats,
I've never seen hardware even come close to coming off the
boom.
Another example: backing plates in the transom; my Com-Pac
16 had a ladder on the transom I could climb, and I'm 200+ lbs.
Never a problem. I read about people going to all kinds of
trouble to put a reasonable load on the transom of a P15. Why
aren't they built strong enough in the first place?
So, OK, now I'm thinking about buying a Potter for all the reasons
you know about, but I'm kind of wondering about what your
experiences are with the reliability of various years of Potters.
I know Larry Brown (where is he these days, anyway?) towed
his boat all over creation, and I know the Potter can do fine
things, but I'm just wondering how people are addressing the
current quality issues, and what your experiences are currently.
I suppose I could call IM, but I have real problems with the
credibility of their advertising, so I don't really know if I'd give
a lot of weight to their opinions. What I'd _like_ to hear is,
yes, the 1985-era Potters broke left and right, but IM has
upgraded the hardware and the boats are now very sturdy
and reliable. True?
I'd be interested in hearing any comments you might have.
Thanks!
Best wishes,
>>
I have a p19 and the only problems i've had has been with the Harken blocks...
They have been squashed or exceeded their strength and blew up. I have had no
problems with the p19 and find it a tough little boat. Considering I tow it on
my motorboat's trailer, sail in ocean with 15 to 25MPH winds and do not reef
until wind reaches 35MPH. I carry a windmeter... My wife is confident in the
lil potter and does not scare at any wind speed up to 35MPH...
The warranty service that I have received to date has been excellent and I
have found the people at IM very responsive. But, you do need to tell them in
writing for quicker response. Usually 1 week...
Best
SF
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