Where is your centerbaord winch? There have been several different designs
on the P19 keel winch over the years. I know of at least three.
The winch for my 1985 is alongside the cabin door on the cockpit bulkhead.
It's a 1:1 winch (I think) with an 1.5 - 2" drum and a removable 8" handle ,
giving me an average of 4:1 purchase (which changes slightly as the wire
fills up the drum). The cable runs from the winch across the roof, down to
a cheek block on the side of the keel, back up to a block on the roof and
back down to the keel, for another 3:1 purchase advantage. Total purchase is
therefore at least 12:1. There's some friction in the system, so the force
required to lift the 390# keel is probably around 35-40 pounds.
I can handle it by myself with a strong effort. The ergonomics are pretty
good. I stand in the cockpit facing forward and the winch handle turns in
the companionway a vertical plane parallel to the center line. I can put my
back and legs into it without throwing out my back, since there's no bending
or twising involved.
My 1985 doesn't have a galvanized keel, but it was sandblasted and epoxied in
1995 by the previous owner. It has held up very well. There's no rust on it
at all. The epoxy is very tough and doesn't chip easily. Eventually, I'll
have to touch up the bottom of the blade, but it still looks good. The work
was done at a local boatyard for about $400 including removal/reinstallatin,
sandblasting, epoxy, and new cable, and maybe some new blocks. Other folks
have had good luck with hot-dip galvanizing.
The newer P19's run the wire to the transom on the back of the cockpit, with
lots of pulleys to run it under the cocpit coaming and to turn the corners.
You have to take care at all times to keep enough light tension on the wire
to keep it from jumping off the sheave and getting caught between the sheave
and the cheeks. (That's true for my boat too, even thought the cable path is
less twisty). I'm not sure what the purchase is between the roof and the
keel on the new ones. The ergonomics aren't as good as on my boat, since you
have to bend and twist.
Jerry Barrileaux's HMS18 Sunshine has a different winch setup. I think Jerry
did it himself. He has a trailer winch on the compression post (aft side) in
the cabin. The cable runs up along the post, aft to the middle of the keel,
and then down ( and maybe back and down up for more purchase). It works
pretty smoothly and the cable path is very simple. The ergonomics are pretty
good too, although you do have to stoop a little in the cabin, of course.
Hope this helps you solve your problems.
Regards,
Judy
In a message dated 4/5/99 2:49:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
purcellwilldeanlaw@carolina.net writes:
<< Hey webgang,
Had a near disaster this weekend tyring to get Ri Ra ready for her maiden
voyage as the pursail boat (My 8 year old's play on our last name). The
dagger board would neither go up or down--lots of rust build up in the years
etc it hadbeen sitting unused. Finally go it to move properly with lots of
WD-40 and used a car jack on a cinder block to nudge it a bit. Then more
disaster on the final check befor launching the cable snapped. Lots of fun
to replace that thing. Upgraded the wire but still not sure about the best
way to attach the cable to the winch to minimize binding. any thoughts would
be appreciated. Also, have any of you made any upgrades or improvements to
the winch system? Surely Judy on a boat rigged for a small lady has a better
solution. I am not a small man and it is quite a chore for me to crank it
up. The near disaster on land alos got me to thiking what do you do if it
happens at sea? Has anybody come up with a backup system to raise the
daggerboard?
PS. After the day spent repalcing the cable etc had a nice first outing.
the first mate and the kids had a ball.
Bill Purcell
HMS 19 #580
Ri Ra
Laurinburg, NC >>