Re: P17

Mac Davis (mcmd@innet.com)
Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:21:37 -0800


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West Wight Potter Website at URL
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Hi Todd:
As a current shallow water P19 owner and former swing keel Chrysler 22
owner, here are my thoughts.
1. The 6" draft is a reality, but not while sailing any point other than
dead downwind. Raising the center (dagger) board has an unstabilizing
effect on the center of gravity that will be potentially troublesome with
any degree of heel at all. Where I sail, the 6 inch draft is necessary for
access to open water, but for shallow sailing, at least a half board down is
required to prevent leeway and maintain stability. Thus you are looking at
the same effective draft, even with the kick-up rudder kicked up.
2. I have had two groundings on submerged (and invisible) oyster bars while
near hull speed. In both cases, all forward progress stopped abruptly and
there was damage to the dagger board trunk. While I had the Chrysler, I had
one severe collision with a sunken (unmarked and invisble) steel hulled
fishing boat in South San Diego Bay, also at hull speed. The episode was
attention getting, but the boat sailed away with only scratches on the iron
swing keel, which swung up and over the obstacle and then returned to its
former down position.
3. All sailboat cabins are inconvenient unless they provide full standing
headroom and ability for two 200 pounders to pass each other without
unavoidably touching.
Hope this helps,
Mac Davis
Kelpie, WWP19#804, Aripeka, FL
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From: t lamb <lambt@hotmail.com>
To: <hapilife@efn.org>; <mulford@bellatlantic.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: P17

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> West Wight Potter Website at URL
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> As a current owner of a swing-keeled Catalina 22, I find your desire for a
> swing keel interesting. I am looking to sell my 22 and buy a P19. One of
> the main reasons I want a P19 is the centerboard approach which is better
> for saltwater (no cables / pivots underwater), eliminates slot drag, and
> most importantly allows for the awesome 6" draft compared to 20" on my 22
> (launching ease, beachability). My current understanding is that the only
> disadvantage is potential damage with hard grounding and perhaps some
cabin
> inconvenience. That being said, I have never sailed, touched, or even
seen
> a Potter in person.
>
> Todd Lamb
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> Subject: Re: P17
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> Lars count me in!!!! swing keel!!!!
> Ken Silverman
> mebbe send a list to IM.....?
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> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Lars S. Mulford wrote:
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> > Trijc@aol.com wrote:
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> > > If anyone is taking orders, I too would be in line for a P17, or for
> that
> > > matter, a P19 if it had a centerboard instead of a daggerboard. How
> many
> > > prospective buyers do we need to convince the owners to make one?
> >
> > Jim, East Coasties, Webgang:
> >
> > I'd get in line for a P19 with a swing keel or centerboard too. As far
> as a
> > P17, I wonder if somewhere out there, the molds for the Luger Seabreeze
> are
> > available.. 17' in length, hard chined hull, swing keel, and a decent
> > performer.. cabin would sleep 4, with a neat doghouse arrangement in
the
> aft
> > part of the cabin.... I had one, and it was a really neat boat. Too
bad
> my
> > health at the time wasn't up to it. Anyway, it would make a neat P17,
> for
> > sure..
> >
> > --
> > "Sea" ya!
> >
> > --Lars S. Mulford, President
> > East Coast Potter Association (ECPA)
> > Come visit us at http://members.tripod.com/~SpeedSailor
> > s/v Always P15 #2125, lateen rig, sailing greater Chesapeake region
> > "Forgive, and live. Life is worth the challenge of living." --LSSM
> > "Love is good; Love hurts; Love sustains; Love remains." --LSSM
> >
> >
>
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