SF sail and P-19 models

The Costas (uffda@sonic.net)
Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:28:20 -0800


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As you read this please remember "don't shoot the messenger"... but =
first the fun stuff.
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This last weekend was the first club sail of 1999 for the Potter =
Yachters (San Francisco bay area), and what a gathering it was. In the =
five years that I have been associated with the club, I have never seen =
such a large group of Potters and Potterers so early in the year. At =
last count the list was up to ten boats, (and I might have missed a =
couple). I could understand such a large turnout if we had good =
weather, but both days threatened rain, and Saturday fulfilled that =
threat when the clouds opened up around 3 PM. The rain kept up on and =
off all night, and was enough to chase most of us, that lived close, =
home to our warm beds. =20
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Sunday dawned overcast and cold, and looked to be a copy of Saturday in =
the making, but ended with a nice breeze and clearing skies by the time =
we were heading back to the ramp. Most of the group sailed over to =
Angle Island on Saturday and again on Sunday, but Peggy and I were late =
arriving on Sat. so we just took a leisurely motor out into the center =
of the bay for a look-about. On Sunday the club was a bit slow getting =
out of the slips, so once again we headed out alone and, just to be =
different, pointed Happy Camper North towards the Brothers lighthouse as =
we cleared the Richmond channel. =20
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Our trip to the lighthouse was slow motoring as we were fighting an =
already strengthening ebb tide. To be honest, this tide is the main =
reason that I didn't want to head south to Angel Island as I didn't want =
to have fight it with a recently rebuilt motor (that I have yet to =
rebuild my confidence in) to get home. I shouldn't have worried as the =
little OMC purred away for around an hour and a half without skipping a =
beat. =20
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As we were battling the current, our trip north proved to be long and =
painfully slow. I don't think we ever went faster then 3 knots (over =
the bottom) during that leg of our journey. Those of you that have =
sailed under the Richmond / San Rafael Bridge know that, due to it's =
size, as you approach it, it just seems to keep getting bigger and =
bigger and gives the effect that you are never going to reach it. That =
is under a slack tide, but with us battling a 2+ knot current it seemed =
to take forever to reach that milestone.
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Under the bridge I found the current magnified as it was forced around =
and through the many giant concrete footings. Not only did it seem =
stronger, but now it was swirling around and giving us (and the =
occasional seal) a bit of a thrill, and reason to hope for the continued =
operation of our little motor. The motor didn't let us down and soon we =
were through the worst of the confused water and heading for the =
lighthouse that we could now see.
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On the north side of the bridge the channel narrows between Points San =
Pablo and Pedro, and the many little rocks that make up "The Sisters" on =
the west and "the Brothers" on the east. About a half mile north of =
the bridge, as we drew closer to the lighthouse, our speed (OTB) started =
decreasing until we reached equilibrium with the ebb tide. I have to =
admit that I was only running about 7/8 throttle, but with new parts in =
the OMC I didn't want to push it any harder so we turned around and =
headed back.
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With the push from the ebb, and a wind on our port quarter, we took off =
like a 'J' boat! Now instead of struggling for every inch of headway, =
we flew down towards the bridge at a fast enough clip to raise a little =
anxiety about clearing the footings. The current hits them at an angle =
and if a boat is swept between a pair it could be demasted by the =
crossmember that joins them together. As we swept under the bridge the =
current and wind were confused by it and Happy Camper lost her point, =
but soon we had her back on 'tack' and zipped past Red Rock, the last =
obstruction we had to past before tacking and pointing the bow to the =
entrance to the marina.
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The trip up was around an hour and a half and the (longer) trip back was =
over in about 40 minutes! What a ride. Funny thing about hooking onto =
a current is that you don't feel like you are going fast until you pass =
a point of reference, like a bridge or buoy, then it gets a little =
exciting.
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Now to the part of this story that will probably get me kicked off this =
mail list.
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In the past I have stated that there are many versions of the big Potter =
boats, but have been corrected because "officially" there are only =
three.=20
1. HMS-18
2. P-19 pre 95
3. International Marine P-19, started around 1995
=20
This weekend went far in proving to me that there are probably as many =
versions within these major groups as there are boats. Out of the seven =
(I think) big Potters that were at the sail, I don't think that any two =
(that had more than a years difference between their building dates) =
were alike. Truth is some of the differences were so great I would =
class them in totally different groups. A couple of glaring examples =
(forgive me but as I don't have the owners permission to talk about =
their boats I won't name names or numbers) were:
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A. Early P-19 with wood cabinets that reached the floor but no cabin =
liner so the part you stood on was actually the inner side of the hull =
molding. Interesting boat as you could actually see what a tiny bilge =
there is in the larger Potters, basically the inside of the fiberglass =
keel from the retractable-keel housing aft to the transom. On this boat =
the factory had laid down what looked to be unresined fiberglass mat =
across the bilge and then covered it with a layer of resined, thick, =
woven glass fabric. That was the sole of the cabin!
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B. Another early P-19 (later model) with fiberglass cabin liner but =
what seemed to be a different setup then the new boats.
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C. Amongst the newer (IM) boats the differences in construction were =
more subtle. My '95 has a brittle jellcoat and because of this, many =
hairline cracks around the bow pulpit and most angles (deck to cabin =
sides, cockpit seats to cabin back...), whereas I don't think I saw one =
crack on the newer boats (there were three present). I also saw the =
same kind of cracking on an early 90's boat. HC had her cracks when I =
bought her but they had been covered up with a coat of gelcoat 'paint' =
(to hide them?) and they reopened the first summer I had her.

The hull on Happy Camper flexes more then the newer boats (when sitting =
on her trailer) which makes me wonder if she is of lighter construction =
then they are. =20

Scott came up with a hull upgrade in '98 but Larry turned it down =
(supposedly because it cost another $250 in materials) so I don't know =
if the new boats are any stronger, or if they are just newer and will =
have problems later. (If I were going to buy a new P-19 I would demand =
the hull and deck upgrade.)

I saw more, but this post is already too long and I need to go out and =
service my mistress before she starts to mold. (You knew I was talking =
about the boat, didn't you?)

Left Coast Larry
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As you read this please = remember=20 "don't shoot the messenger"... but first the fun = stuff.
 
This last weekend was = the first club=20 sail of 1999 for the Potter Yachters (San Francisco bay area), and what = a=20 gathering it was.  In the five years that I have been associated = with the=20 club, I have never seen such a large group of Potters and Potterers so = early in=20 the year.  At last count the list was up to ten boats, (and I might = have=20 missed a couple).   I could understand such a large turnout if = we had=20 good weather, but both days threatened rain, and Saturday fulfilled that = threat=20 when the clouds opened up around 3 PM.  The rain kept up on and off = all=20 night, and was enough to chase most of us, that lived close, home to our = warm=20 beds. 
 
Sunday dawned overcast = and cold, and=20 looked to be a copy of Saturday in the making, but ended with a nice = breeze and=20 clearing skies by the time we were heading back to the ramp.  Most = of the=20 group sailed over to Angle Island on Saturday and again on Sunday, but = Peggy and=20 I were late arriving on Sat. so we just took a leisurely motor out into = the=20 center of the bay for a look-about.  On Sunday the club was a bit = slow=20 getting out of the slips, so once again we headed out alone and, just to = be=20 different, pointed Happy Camper North towards the Brothers lighthouse as = we=20 cleared the Richmond channel. 
 
Our trip to the lighthouse was slow = motoring as we=20 were fighting an already strengthening ebb tide.  To be honest, = this tide=20 is the main reason that I didn't want to head south to Angel Island as I = didn't=20 want to have fight it with a recently rebuilt motor (that I have yet to = rebuild=20 my confidence in) to get home.  I shouldn't have worried as the = little OMC=20 purred away for around an hour and a half without skipping a beat.  =
 
As we were battling the current, our = trip north=20 proved to be long and painfully slow.  I don't think we ever went = faster=20 then 3 knots (over the bottom) during that leg of our journey.  = Those of=20 you that have sailed under the Richmond / San Rafael Bridge know that, = due to=20 it's size, as you approach it, it just seems to keep getting bigger and = bigger=20 and gives the effect that you are never going to reach it.  That is = under a=20 slack tide, but with us battling a 2+ knot current it seemed to take = forever to=20 reach that milestone.
 
Under the bridge I found the current = magnified as=20 it was forced around and through the many giant concrete footings.  = Not=20 only did it seem stronger, but now it was swirling around and giving us = (and the=20 occasional seal) a bit of a thrill, and reason to hope for the continued = operation of our little motor.  The motor didn't let us down and = soon we=20 were through the worst of the  confused water and heading for the=20 lighthouse that we could now see.
 
On the north side of the bridge the = channel narrows=20 between Points San Pablo and Pedro, and the many little rocks that make = up=20 "The Sisters" on the west and "the Brothers" on the=20 east.   About a half mile north of the bridge, as we drew = closer to=20 the lighthouse, our speed (OTB) started decreasing until we reached = equilibrium=20 with the ebb tide.  I have to admit that I was only running about = 7/8=20 throttle, but with new parts in the OMC I didn't want to push it any = harder so=20 we turned around and headed back.
 
With the push from the ebb, and a wind = on our port=20 quarter, we took off like a 'J' boat!  Now instead of struggling = for every=20 inch of headway, we flew down towards the bridge at a fast enough clip = to raise=20 a little anxiety about clearing the footings.  The current hits = them at an=20 angle and if a boat is swept between a pair it could be demasted by the=20 crossmember that joins them together.  As we swept under the bridge = the=20 current and wind were confused by it and Happy Camper lost her point, = but soon=20 we had her back on 'tack' and zipped past Red Rock, the last obstruction = we had=20 to past before tacking and pointing the bow to the entrance to the=20 marina.
 
The trip up was around an hour and a = half and the=20 (longer) trip back was over in about 40 minutes!  What a = ride.  Funny=20 thing about hooking onto a current is that you don't feel like you are = going=20 fast until you pass a point of reference, like a bridge or buoy, then it = gets a=20 little exciting.
 
Now to the part of this story that will = probably=20 get me kicked off this mail list.
 
In the past I have stated that there = are many=20 versions of the big Potter boats, but have been corrected because=20 "officially" there are only three.
1.    = HMS-18
2.    P-19 pre = 95
3.    International = Marine=20 P-19,  started around 1995
 
This weekend went far in proving to me = that there=20 are probably as many versions within these major groups as there are=20 boats.  Out of the seven (I think) big Potters that were at the = sail, I=20 don't think that any two (that had more than a years difference between = their=20 building dates) were alike.  Truth is some of the differences were = so great=20 I would class them in totally different groups.  A couple of = glaring=20 examples (forgive me but as I don't have the owners permission to talk = about=20 their boats I won't name names or numbers) were:
 
A.    Early P-19 with = wood cabinets=20 that reached the floor but no cabin liner so the part you stood on was = actually=20 the inner side of the hull molding.  Interesting boat as you could = actually=20 see what a tiny bilge there is in the larger Potters, basically the = inside of=20 the fiberglass keel from the retractable-keel housing aft to the = transom. =20 On this boat the factory had laid down what looked to be unresined = fiberglass=20 mat across the bilge and then covered it with a layer of resined, thick, = woven=20 glass fabric.  That was the sole of the cabin!
 
B.    Another early P-19 = (later=20 model) with fiberglass cabin liner but what seemed to be a different = setup then=20 the new boats.
 
C.    Amongst the newer = (IM) boats=20 the differences in construction were more subtle.  My '95 has a = brittle=20 jellcoat and because of this, many hairline cracks around the bow pulpit = and=20 most angles (deck to cabin sides, cockpit seats to cabin back...), = whereas I=20 don't think I saw one crack on the newer boats (there were three = present). =20 I also saw the same kind of cracking on an early 90's boat.  HC had = her=20 cracks when I bought her but they had been covered up with a coat of = gelcoat=20 'paint' (to hide them?) and they reopened the first summer I had=20 her.
 
The hull on Happy Camper flexes more = then the newer=20 boats (when sitting on her trailer) which makes me wonder if she is of = lighter=20 construction then they are. 
 
Scott came up with a hull upgrade in = '98 but Larry=20 turned it down (supposedly because it cost another $250 in materials) so = I don't=20 know if the new boats are any stronger, or if they are just newer and = will have=20 problems later.  (If I were going to buy a new P-19 I would demand = the hull=20 and deck upgrade.)
 
I saw more, but this post is already = too long and I=20 need to go out and service my mistress before she starts to mold. (You = knew I=20 was talking about the boat, didn't you?)
 
Left Coast Larry
 
 
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