RE: Sailing at Dana Point CA on Saturday

From: Sayer, Chris (ChrisSayer@StratfordGroup.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 2000 - 08:16:51 PST


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My impression of the day was that the genoa was a fantastic sail for
reaching in 5 knots of wind. At most any other point of sail, the standard
jib appeared to equal or better. I sailed the same spot in the same winds
and tide the following day, and made dramatically better progress (per GPS)
with the jib. I doubt I'll invest in a genoa until I feel up to changing
headsails on the water.

Sorry to have missed the PY brunch? Did anyone sail after? I let the
weatherman "head-fake" me out of my plans and committed to some family
things on Sunday instead.

Chris Sayer
P15, #2380, Akala
San Jose, CA

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From: Dave & Francesca Kautz [mailto:dfkautz@pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 11:01 PM
To: David Lang
Cc: wwpotter@tscnet.com
Subject: Re: Sailing at Dana Point CA on Saturday

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David Lang wrote:
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> I was interested to find my Genoa in very light airs is really not an
> advantage as the two Bill's overtook me with working Jib's. I did have my
> motor down (oops) and that did add a little drag, but I think he would
have
> overtaken me anyway. We finally got some decent wind and started to really
> sail. It was a glorious day on the water. We sailed straight out to sea.
> There are no oil wells in your view from Dana Point and looking out to sea
> is wide open. The Genoa really started to perform about 5knots (with the
> motor up!)and I pulled away from the pack . We had some glorious sailing
for
> about an hour and then decided to head back before dark. Downwind the
Genoa
> proved to be only a little advantage. Some of that due to me learning
about
> the sail, the other due to the sail rides higher with the CDI and it
> doesn't catch the wind as well under the mainsail. We had a really nice
day
> and am looking forward to the next time we can go out.
> Verdict on the new Genoa and roller furling so far. In winds over 5
> knots its great. I mean really great! Under 5 knots I think a hanked on
jib
> is better. I have not been able to sail it in winds over 10-15 knots so
am
> not sure how a partially furled Genoa will compare to a hanked on jib. So
> far the trade off has been worth it. I love furling up the sail while
> entering the harbor and having a clean deck. I also like being able to
> change the size of the headsail so effortlessly.
>
> Dave (windbag) Lang P15 hull#554 "Go West"
> was sailing with; Bill Boyer in "Lil" & Bill Payne in "Pilgrim"

I mentioned a while back that when using Harry Gordon's genoa on my MkII
I was unable to get good performance when close hauled. I think we
collectively concluded that my problems were related to the absence of
genoa tracks and cars on my boat. But. a few days after Christmas I went
sailing with Chris Sayers & family and Harry Gordon and we rigged
Harry's genoa on Chris' boat which does have genoa hardware. In the very
light winds that day it didn't work much better for him to windward. My
observation was that his speed through the water was actually faster but
he was unable to point as high and since it was a beat out the channel
he was actually falling behind with the genoa, similar to what you
observed, Dave. By the way, both Chris and I got left in Harry's wake.

It might be interesting to try rolling your genoa up a little when
beating to windward, enough to ensure that the mainsail (which is still
providing most of the drive, even with the larger headsail) isn't being
backwinded and that the boat is balanced with a few degrees of weather
helm so as to be sure the underwater surfaces are generating lift to
windward, not leeward.

Please keep me posted on what you learn about your new sail as you get
more experience with it.

Dave Kautz
P-15 #1632, Tilly Lucy
Palo Alto, CA



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