Don Bergst used to change headsails on his P15 without leaving the cockpit.
Instead of hanking to the forestay, the jib was set flying. Apparently his
jib had a wire rope, as does my gunter jib. The tack was attached to a line
that ran through a block at the stem and back to a cleat near the cockpit.
After releasing the halyard and clew, he could simply haul the jib in by
the sheets. He could take the jib down and have it in the cockpit in a
matter of seconds.
Harry
P14 #234, Manatee
Mountain View, CA
>Hi again Drew,
>
>Jerry Barrilleaux and I were talking about your jib and he came up with a
>tidbit of P14 history. The original jibs did have a wire cable in them,
>even though they were intended to be hanked onto the forestay. VERRRYY
>Interesting... you don't see that today.
>
>Sometimes, with the old wire cables "seized" to the sail (attached at the
>grommets in the head and tack), the twisted wire cable might get un-coiled
>if it was used on the old style roller furlers that swivelled at the top and
>bottom (but didn't have a special "extrusion" like the newer style reefing
>furlers). The result was that the cable developed a coiled shape -- maybe
>this is the "snake" you're referring to in your original post?
>
>If you can tighten the halyard enough to get the leading edge straight, then
>performance shouldn't be affected. If you can't get the leading edge
>straight, you're losing some perfomance. I don't know how much the
>un-coiling of the twisted wire this affects the safety of the sail, I wonder
>if the cable might be slightly weakened.
>
>Just a guess on my part. It's hard to give you a good explanation without
>examining the sail in person.
>
>Fair breezes,
>Judy B
>WWP19 #266 Redwing
>SF Bay, CA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judith Franklin Blumhorst, DC [mailto:DrJudyB@pacbell.net]
>Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 8:37 AM
>To: WWPotter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [WWP] Jib - tight or lose cable???
>
>
>Hi Drew,
>
>Does your jib have hanks (plastic or metal hooks or rings or tiny snaps)
>along the luff (front edge) as well? Can you tell if if the cable is cord
>or wire? Does the wire or cable go around the grommets at the head and tack
>(foot) of the sail.
>
>Most jibs "hank on" -- that is, they hook or snap on to the headstay. Sails
>like this have a thin cord sewn into the luff to prevent you from
>over-stretching the luff when you hoist it with the jib halyard (the line
>used to raise the jib) on the forestay. Sometimes, on an old sail, the cord
>shrinks a little. This is a problem only if the shrinkage causes wrinkles
>on the front edge that don't go away when the jib halyard is tightened.
>
>If you can't get the front edge smooth by tensioning the jib halyard, a sail
>maker can remove the old cord and install a new one for about $50 or so.
>However, if the sail is very old and worn, it may be better to buy a new one
>from International Marine. The small jib (in white, hanked on style) is
>only $200 brand new.
>
>Sometimes you see a jib that's been "converted" for use on an older style
>roller furler. There is a thin wire cable that runs inside the tape on the
>luff, and there are loops at each end. The loops go around the metal
>grommets (holes punched in sail with metal trim) at the head and tack
>(bottom of the jib). Usually, this kind of sail comes with a boat that has
>an older style roller furler that can't be reefed (used partially rolled up
>to effectively give you a smaller headsail). I'd be surprised to find that
>on an older P15, but anything is possible.
>
>As for a genoa, the new ones from the factory are very reasonably priced at
>$300. Folks who own P15's can tell you better than I can what wind range
>the genoa is good for.
>
>If you need help evaluating the condition of your old jib in order to make
>the decision of repairing vs. buying a new one, I can send you a copy of an
>article about evaluating old sails I wrote for the last Potter Yachters
>Newsletter .
>
>The website for International Marine can be found at www.westwightpotter.com
>
>Hope this helps,
>Judy B
>1985 WWP19 #266 Redwing, SF Bay, CA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: drewschenck [mailto:drewschenck@email.msn.com]
>Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 7:46 AM
>To: WWPotter@egroups.com
>Subject: [WWP] Jib - tight or lose cable???
>
>
>The on my jib (P15 #463) "snakes along form top to bottom. The eyes at each
>end are sewn to the sail so it does tighten but why have a cable if it is
>loose? Has my sail shrunk that much? Is there a proper name for this cable
>(everything seems to have a name)? Does any one have extra sails for a P15
>they want to sell (Genoa...)? Does anyone have a 2 or 3 hp long shaft they
>want to get rid of? Is this too many question?
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Drew E. Schenck
>P15 #463 "Ringle"
>
>
>
>
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